Chocolate Cake At Subway, Etc….

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excited about the cake, and as far as the other food plan haven’t tried any you mention, I think what keeps me honest is that I know if I eat not so good foods in excess I will not lose, that is all it takes for me, good luck whatever you choose, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m so happy. Just was there for lunch, and they have added a new chocolate frosted chocolate cake for only 3 points. Actual points is about 3.2 I think. Not a huge piece but tastes so good. I haven’t had a real sweet in so long, and it’s sooo nice to be able to have this on a "diet" …;-). I still don’t have a scale, (waiting for Amazon to get in the one I want), but I can see I’m definitely shrinking, and I feel a lot slimmer. I’m doing well I think on this plan, but I can’t help also wondering about the South Beach diet, which is a very healthy way of eating. I didn’t lose on Sugar busters or Atkins, and this plan seems like a cross between the two. I do like the structure of WW, and the fact you can eat whatever you want. What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day . It is true that you get more food though with lower point foods, so that would keep people honest most of the time . As I said before, they don’t differentiate between the fat from salmon, or from a donut. I know fat is fat calorie wise, but the body handles both differently, and there are chemical things going on in the body, that determine how each fat is processed. I’ve even read that saturated fat gets deposited more easily as fat on the body, than healthier fats, of which WW doesn’t get into at all. Anyone also try the South Beach diet? I liked the fact that they say you lose belly fat on it, and can lose 8-13 during the ist two weeks, which is probably a lot of water. I also like the fact that they say calories don’t count, and that might do me in, and might be the reason I didn’t lose on Atkins or Sugar busters. Checking their sample daily meal plans though it looks like they are between 20-23 points too though.

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Our leader is currently stressing that summer wants us to eat more junk/party/salty food and she is giving us the strategies to deal with the outdoor BBQ situation, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Diane, I wish your UK WW’s system was so thorough, but my experience is that they simply encourage you to count points and sell their own branded recipe books and food products. Also, I have my friend’s old set of books from when she did WWs but when I went they weren’t doing that any more – you just get a pathetic recipe card once a week. There appeared to be no structured, consistent guide to healthy eating and it was entirely possible to eat appallingly and still be considered to be following the program (salt for instance, was never mentioned, even when I deliberately asked about the subject). That was why I started incorporating ideas from the Rosemary Conley program into WWs, since she heavily promotes the idea of a healthy eating lifestyle and does have guide-lines regarding appropriate distribution of food groups. Week 6 is the booklet "The Right Mix." In that material are some questions about how you feel after you eat certain food. Then the options are presented, Balanced, High Protein or High Carb and the number of points to each is outlined. For example, the balanced mix for someone over 225 would be Fruit/Veg: 1-4 points Milk/Dairy: 4-6 Protein: 8-10 Grains: 9-12 Sugars, fats, alcohol: 4-5 Obviously, someone who needs more protein would add to that. Someone who needs more carbs would change that. The concept is that there isn’t one right mix for everyone. Personally, I get headaches if I eat too much protein without any carbs. Week 1 provides 8 guidelines for eating within points. The idea that one should eat both protein and carbs, as well as drink water and take a multi-vitamin are all in there. There’s quite a bit more material that WW provides. Tools for Living, for example, talks about motivating strategies and the power of self-talk. Hope this helps. Best, Diane 185/154/146 — Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk (184)176/now 153/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 10% Goal: 158 lbs (achieved 16 May 2003) IFFC goal: 155 lbs (achieved 13 June 2003) IFFC (Independence from Food Challenge): http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/IFFC/

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Okay, I knew that, but with all the stuff going on here, I read you wrong, thought you were saying the UK program was better, don’t ask me why, I Know where you are Most of the time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Lesanne, My U.S. (Texas) program gives out a Journal page every week. On there it has the following information… Your points range. Suggestions to: 1)Pay attention to serving sizes 2) Choose at least 5 servings of fruit and vegetables a day 3) Choose at least 2 servings of milk and milk products 4) Include protein rich foods in your diet 5) Choose a vairety of grains daily, expecially whole grains 6) Limit alcohol, high sugar and high fat foods 7) Drink at least 6 glasses of water every day (and my leader mentions this every week and recommends more) Insure your nutritional well being by taking a multivitamin every day. this thing also has check boxes at the bottom of each day for the milk, water and fruits and vegetables. I am not sure where you went? I thought my stuff was a standard part of WW. Also they have given out several booklets that give more info. I’m in UK (Hint: England! ;o) ) so the system is entirely different here, and rather disappointing. Which was one major reason why I’ve stopped going – it just wasn’t helpful to me. — Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk (184)176/now 153/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 10% Goal: 158 lbs (achieved 16 May 2003) IFFC goal: 155 lbs (achieved 13 June 2003) IFFC (Independence from Food Challenge): http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/IFFC/

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I would be interested to hear feedback from anyone who has tried the South Beach diet. I am wondering about recommending it to my diabetic patients (I am a nurse). Thanks Leanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, according an article I found (link below), the South Beach Diet appears to score pretty well. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/65/72554.htm I’m so happy. Just was there for lunch, and they have added a new chocolate frosted chocolate cake for only 3 points. Actual points is about 3.2 I think. Not a huge piece but tastes so good. I haven’t had a real sweet in so long, and it’s sooo nice to be able to have this on a "diet" …;-). I still don’t have a scale, (waiting for Amazon to get in the one I want), but I can see I’m definitely shrinking, and I feel a lot slimmer. I’m doing well I think on this plan, but I can’t help also wondering about the South Beach diet, which is a very healthy way of eating. I didn’t lose on Sugar busters or Atkins, and this plan seems like a cross between the two. I do like the structure of WW, and the fact you can eat whatever you want. What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day . It is true that you get more food though with lower point foods, so that would keep people honest most of the time . As I said before, they don’t differentiate between the fat from salmon, or from a donut. I know fat is fat calorie wise, but the body handles both differently, and there are chemical things going on in the body, that determine how each fat is processed. I’ve even read that saturated fat gets deposited more easily as fat on the body, than healthier fats, of which WW doesn’t get into at all. Anyone also try the South Beach diet? I liked the fact that they say you lose belly fat on it, and can lose 8-13 during the ist two weeks, which is probably a lot of water. I also like the fact that they say calories don’t count, and that might do me in, and might be the reason I didn’t lose on Atkins or Sugar busters. Checking their sample daily meal plans though it looks like they are between 20-23 points too though.

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How odd that the US and UK versions would differ in the depth of material that’s presented. I’ve never heard of Rosemary Conley, but will look into it. Thanks. Best, Diane 185/154/146 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Diane, I wish your UK WW’s system was so thorough, but my experience is that they simply encourage you to count points and sell their own branded recipe books and food products. Also, I have my friend’s old set of books from when she did WWs but when I went they weren’t doing that any more – you just get a pathetic recipe card once a week. There appeared to be no structured, consistent guide to healthy eating and it was entirely possible to eat appallingly and still be considered to be following the program (salt for instance, was never mentioned, even when I deliberately asked about the subject). That was why I started incorporating ideas from the Rosemary Conley program into WWs, since she heavily promotes the idea of a healthy eating lifestyle and does have guide-lines regarding appropriate distribution of food groups. Week 6 is the booklet "The Right Mix." In that material are some questions about how you feel after you eat certain food. Then the options are presented, Balanced, High Protein or High Carb and the number of points to each is outlined. For example, the balanced mix for someone over 225 would be Fruit/Veg: 1-4 points Milk/Dairy: 4-6 Protein: 8-10 Grains: 9-12 Sugars, fats, alcohol: 4-5 Obviously, someone who needs more protein would add to that. Someone who needs more carbs would change that. The concept is that there isn’t one right mix for everyone. Personally, I get headaches if I eat too much protein without any carbs. Week 1 provides 8 guidelines for eating within points. The idea that one should eat both protein and carbs, as well as drink water and take a multi-vitamin are all in there. There’s quite a bit more material that WW provides. Tools for Living, for example, talks about motivating strategies and the power of self-talk. Hope this helps. Best, Diane 185/154/146

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Hi Lesanne, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My U.S. (Texas) program gives out a Journal page every week. On there it has the following information… Your points range. Suggestions to: 1)Pay attention to serving sizes 2) Choose at least 5 servings of fruit and vegetables a day 3) Choose at least 2 servings of milk and milk products 4) Include protein rich foods in your diet 5) Choose a vairety of grains daily, expecially whole grains 6) Limit alcohol, high sugar and high fat foods 7) Drink at least 6 glasses of water every day (and my leader mentions this every week and recommends more) Insure your nutritional well being by taking a multivitamin every day. this thing also has check boxes at the bottom of each day for the milk, water and fruits and vegetables. I am not sure where you went? I thought my stuff was a standard part of WW. Also they have given out several booklets that give more info.

I’m in UK (Hint: England! ;o) ) so the system is entirely different here, and rather disappointing. Which was one major reason why I’ve stopped going – it just wasn’t helpful to me. — Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk (184)176/now 153/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 10% Goal: 158 lbs (achieved 16 May 2003) IFFC goal: 155 lbs (achieved 13 June 2003) IFFC (Independence from Food Challenge): http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/IFFC/

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My U.S. (Texas) program gives out a Journal page every week. On there it has the following information… Your points range. Suggestions to: 1)Pay attention to serving sizes 2) Choose at least 5 servings of fruit and vegetables a day 3) Choose at least 2 servings of milk and milk products 4) Include protein rich foods in your diet 5) Choose a vairety of grains daily, expecially whole grains 6) Limit alcohol, high sugar and high fat foods 7) Drink at least 6 glasses of water every day (and my leader mentions this every week and recommends more) Insure your nutritional well being by taking a multivitamin every day. this thing also has check boxes at the bottom of each day for the milk, water and fruits and vegetables. I am not sure where you went? I thought my stuff was a standard part of WW. Also they have given out several booklets that give more info.

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Hi Sheelah, I’m so happy. Just was there for lunch, and they have added a new chocolate frosted chocolate cake for only 3 points. Actual points is about 3.2 I think. Not a huge piece but tastes so good. I haven’t had a real sweet in so long, and it’s sooo nice to be able to have this on a "diet" …;-).

I bet you really appreciated it too! We all need our treats – being too puritanical will eventually lead to falling off the wagon. I still don’t have a scale, (waiting for Amazon to get in the one I want), but I can see I’m definitely shrinking, and I feel a lot slimmer. I’m doing well I think on this plan, but I can’t help also wondering about the South Beach diet, which is a very healthy way of eating. I didn’t lose on Sugar busters or Atkins, and this plan seems like a cross between the two. I do like the structure of WW, and the fact you can eat whatever you want.

I use WWs points with Rosemary Conley’s low fat diet scheme – I use her recipe books, exercise videos and I follow her plan of eating nothing with more than 4% fat, except oily fish and small portions of nuts (because nuts contain essential nutrients not found elsewhere and help prevent diabetes). But I don’t count calories as in her scheme, I count points instead. It works well together because the basic philosophies of the two schemes are pretty much the same. Here’s Rosemary Conley’s site in case anyone else is interested: http://www.rosemary-conley.co.uk/ What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day .

I so agree – if it wasn’t for this newsgroup’s encouragement, I think I’d just have counted points and wouldn’t have learnt the new, healthier way of eating that I’m developing. As I said before, they don’t differentiate between the fat from salmon, or from a donut. I know fat is fat calorie wise, but the body handles both differently, and there are chemical things going on in the body, that determine how each fat is processed. I’ve even read that saturated fat gets deposited more easily as fat on the body, than healthier fats, of which WW doesn’t get into at all.

Rosemary Conley actually recommends her members to eat one portion of oily fish per week and I’ve heard her new book incorporates nuts. She also says to use olive oil for the little fat you do have as it’s good for you in small quantities. Anyone also try the South Beach diet? I liked the fact that they say you lose belly fat on it, and can lose 8-13 during the ist two weeks, which is probably a lot of water.

If it’s a rapid weight-loss program it won’t work well with WWs and it won’t be healthy or effective – the only real way to lose weight *permanently* is to lose it slowly and sensibly. If it’s a low fat, low cal or high protein diet it could be adapted to work with WWs points. I’m never impressed by grandiose claims of weight-loss – it shows a worrying tendency to regard itself as a quick fix, a diet that you go on, lose the weight and then return to your bad old ways again. WWs doesn’t work like that, which is probably why they don’t say how much you can expect to lose (except they mention it’s not good to lose too much after the first few weeks). I also like the fact that they say calories don’t count, and that might do me in, and might be the reason I didn’t lose on Atkins or Sugar busters. Checking their sample daily meal plans though it looks like they are between 20-23 points too though.

You could use their menu plans with WWs, as I use Rosemary Conley’s, but calories *do* count, miserable though that fact may be. I’ve seen other low-fat diets, for instance, in which you could eat as much as you liked as long as it didn’t contain fat – I’d have pigged-out on potatoes, rice and pasta and turned into a human hippo. I was on a sugar-free diabetic diet for 3 years and I got fat on it ( — Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk (184)176/now 153/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 10% Goal: 158 lbs (achieved 16 May 2003) IFFC goal: 155 lbs (achieved 13 June 2003) IFFC (Independence from Food Challenge): http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/IFFC/

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Week 6 is the booklet "The Right Mix." In that material are some questions about how you feel after you eat certain food. Then the options are presented, Balanced, High Protein or High Carb and the number of points to each is outlined. For example, the balanced mix for someone over 225 would be Fruit/Veg: 1-4 points Milk/Dairy: 4-6 Protein: 8-10 Grains: 9-12 Sugars, fats, alcohol: 4-5 Obviously, someone who needs more protein would add to that. Someone who needs more carbs would change that. The concept is that there isn’t one right mix for everyone. Personally, I get headaches if I eat too much protein without any carbs. Week 1 provides 8 guidelines for eating within points. The idea that one should eat both protein and carbs, as well as drink water and take a multi-vitamin are all in there. There’s quite a bit more material that WW provides. Tools for Living, for example, talks about motivating strategies and the power of self-talk. Hope this helps. Best, Diane 185/154/146 Diane, thank you for letting me know that. I didn’t realize there were those types of guidelines in WW. I thought it was just about points. Do they tell you how many meat servings you should have? Are there bread or starch serving guidelines. Are there other things in WW I should be aware of? I’m willing to do the online version, but I hadn’t realized there was more to it than just counting points. Thanks for letting me know . << Actually, if you’re following WW, you’re having 2 dairy and 5 servings of fruits and veggies every day. True, you can stay within points eating junk, but you can’t stay on WW program eating junk.

– Help the women of Afganistan http://www.rawa.org/ "You despise me, don’t you?" "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."

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Hi Diane, I wish your UK WW’s system was so thorough, but my experience is that they simply encourage you to count points and sell their own branded recipe books and food products. Also, I have my friend’s old set of books from when she did WWs but when I went they weren’t doing that any more – you just get a pathetic recipe card once a week. There appeared to be no structured, consistent guide to healthy eating and it was entirely possible to eat appallingly and still be considered to be following the program (salt for instance, was never mentioned, even when I deliberately asked about the subject). That was why I started incorporating ideas from the Rosemary Conley program into WWs, since she heavily promotes the idea of a healthy eating lifestyle and does have guide-lines regarding appropriate distribution of food groups. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Week 6 is the booklet "The Right Mix." In that material are some questions about how you feel after you eat certain food. Then the options are presented, Balanced, High Protein or High Carb and the number of points to each is outlined. For example, the balanced mix for someone over 225 would be Fruit/Veg: 1-4 points Milk/Dairy: 4-6 Protein: 8-10 Grains: 9-12 Sugars, fats, alcohol: 4-5 Obviously, someone who needs more protein would add to that. Someone who needs more carbs would change that. The concept is that there isn’t one right mix for everyone. Personally, I get headaches if I eat too much protein without any carbs. Week 1 provides 8 guidelines for eating within points. The idea that one should eat both protein and carbs, as well as drink water and take a multi-vitamin are all in there. There’s quite a bit more material that WW provides. Tools for Living, for example, talks about motivating strategies and the power of self-talk. Hope this helps. Best, Diane 185/154/146

– Anna Hayward, Email: alienvisitorATratbagDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk (184)176/now 153/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 10% Goal: 158 lbs (achieved 16 May 2003) IFFC goal: 155 lbs (achieved 13 June 2003) IFFC (Independence from Food Challenge): http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/IFFC/

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Well, according an article I found (link below), the South Beach Diet appears to score pretty well. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/65/72554.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m so happy. Just was there for lunch, and they have added a new chocolate frosted chocolate cake for only 3 points. Actual points is about 3.2 I think. Not a huge piece but tastes so good. I haven’t had a real sweet in so long, and it’s sooo nice to be able to have this on a "diet" …;-). I still don’t have a scale, (waiting for Amazon to get in the one I want), but I can see I’m definitely shrinking, and I feel a lot slimmer. I’m doing well I think on this plan, but I can’t help also wondering about the South Beach diet, which is a very healthy way of eating. I didn’t lose on Sugar busters or Atkins, and this plan seems like a cross between the two. I do like the structure of WW, and the fact you can eat whatever you want. What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day . It is true that you get more food though with lower point foods, so that would keep people honest most of the time . As I said before, they don’t differentiate between the fat from salmon, or from a donut. I know fat is fat calorie wise, but the body handles both differently, and there are chemical things going on in the body, that determine how each fat is processed. I’ve even read that saturated fat gets deposited more easily as fat on the body, than healthier fats, of which WW doesn’t get into at all. Anyone also try the South Beach diet? I liked the fact that they say you lose belly fat on it, and can lose 8-13 during the ist two weeks, which is probably a lot of water. I also like the fact that they say calories don’t count, and that might do me in, and might be the reason I didn’t lose on Atkins or Sugar busters. Checking their sample daily meal plans though it looks like they are between 20-23 points too though.

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Diane, thank you for letting me know that. I didn’t realize there were those types of guidelines in WW. I thought it was just about points. Do they tell you how many meat servings you should have? Are there bread or starch serving guidelines. Are there other things in WW I should be aware of? I’m willing to do the online version, but I hadn’t realized there was more to it than just counting points. Thanks for letting me know . << Actually, if you’re following WW, you’re having 2 dairy and 5 servings of fruits and veggies every day. True, you can stay within points eating junk, but you can’t stay on WW program eating junk.

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What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day .

If you go to meetings they stress more "bang" (food) for your "buck" (points) and this means eating healthy. Since I’m a quantity type of eater, if I can eat 2 servings of fat free chips for less points than one serving of regular chips then I’m happy. I like knowing that I can eat a pound of strawberries for less points than a small candy bar.

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Actually, if you’re following WW, you’re having 2 dairy and 5 servings of fruits and veggies every day. True, you can stay within points eating junk, but you can’t stay on WW program eating junk. Best, Diane 185/154/146 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m so happy. Just was there for lunch, and they have added a new chocolate frosted chocolate cake for only 3 points. Actual points is about 3.2 I think. Not a huge piece but tastes so good. I haven’t had a real sweet in so long, and it’s sooo nice to be able to have this on a "diet" …;-). I still don’t have a scale, (waiting for Amazon to get in the one I want), but I can see I’m definitely shrinking, and I feel a lot slimmer. I’m doing well I think on this plan, but I can’t help also wondering about the South Beach diet, which is a very healthy way of eating. I didn’t lose on Sugar busters or Atkins, and this plan seems like a cross between the two. I do like the structure of WW, and the fact you can eat whatever you want. What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day . It is true that you get more food though with lower point foods, so that would keep people honest most of the time . As I said before, they don’t differentiate between the fat from salmon, or from a donut. I know fat is fat calorie wise, but the body handles both differently, and there are chemical things going on in the body, that determine how each fat is processed. I’ve even read that saturated fat gets deposited more easily as fat on the body, than healthier fats, of which WW doesn’t get into at all. Anyone also try the South Beach diet? I liked the fact that they say you lose belly fat on it, and can lose 8-13 during the ist two weeks, which is probably a lot of water. I also like the fact that they say calories don’t count, and that might do me in, and might be the reason I didn’t lose on Atkins or Sugar busters. Checking their sample daily meal plans though it looks like they are between 20-23 points too though.

– Help the women of Afganistan http://www.rawa.org/ "You despise me, don’t you?" "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."

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I’m so happy. Just was there for lunch, and they have added a new chocolate frosted chocolate cake for only 3 points. Actual points is about 3.2 I think. Not a huge piece but tastes so good. I haven’t had a real sweet in so long, and it’s sooo nice to be able to have this on a "diet" …;-). I still don’t have a scale, (waiting for Amazon to get in the one I want), but I can see I’m definitely shrinking, and I feel a lot slimmer. I’m doing well I think on this plan, but I can’t help also wondering about the South Beach diet, which is a very healthy way of eating. I didn’t lose on Sugar busters or Atkins, and this plan seems like a cross between the two. I do like the structure of WW, and the fact you can eat whatever you want. What does bother me a bit about WW, is that it teaches portion control, but not necessarily better eating habits, as I can stay within my points and still eat junk all day . It is true that you get more food though with lower point foods, so that would keep people honest most of the time . As I said before, they don’t differentiate between the fat from salmon, or from a donut. I know fat is fat calorie wise, but the body handles both differently, and there are chemical things going on in the body, that determine how each fat is processed. I’ve even read that saturated fat gets deposited more easily as fat on the body, than healthier fats, of which WW doesn’t get into at all. Anyone also try the South Beach diet? I liked the fact that they say you lose belly fat on it, and can lose 8-13 during the ist two weeks, which is probably a lot of water. I also like the fact that they say calories don’t count, and that might do me in, and might be the reason I didn’t lose on Atkins or Sugar busters. Checking their sample daily meal plans though it looks like they are between 20-23 points too though.

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They do have a booklet on the types of food you need, I forget what week it is. They stress having dairy and fruits and veggies, there are even spots for tracking them specifically on the journals (you do journal don’t you?) It is also discussed at the meetings regularly although they don’t have a specific ‘diet’ they do stress a balance. — Started Weight Watchers together February 2002: Chris 332.4/199.8/185 Pat 198.4/161.2/155 2002 combined loss 139 2003 combined loss 30.8 Total combined l69.8 lbs

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