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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea that eating less fat leads to reduced breast cancer recurrence has been disproved. Dietary factors and the survival of women with breast carcinoma. Holmes MD, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Rosner B, Hunter DJ, Willett WC. Channing Laboratory, Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. CONCLUSIONS: No survival advantage was found for a low fat diet after a diagnosis of breast carcinoma. PMID: 10463982 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Disproved is a strong term. The study failed to find a correlation, but that is not really the same as proving that there is no correlation. An argument could be made that the study reported yesterday was a better one, in that the older Boston study involved food surveys filled out by subjects who chose there own diet, while the new one involved random assignment of patients to groups given either a low fat or unmodified diet. I noticed in yesterday’s New York Times article discussing the new study, one of the authors of the Boston study cited seems to agree that the new research is promising. He doesn’t sound like he regards the link as disproved: "This is potentially very good news," said Dr. David Hunter, a professor of cancer prevention at the Harvard School of Public Health. "Anything that could be done about reducing breast cancer recurrence would be enormously valuable." Paul, which study are you referring to? Do you have a link to it?
This was presented by the authors at this year’s ASCO meeting and widely reported Monday and Tuesday, but isn’t published yet. The abstract is at: http://www.asco.org/ac/1,1003,_12-002643-00_18-0034-00_19-0031414,00.asp The New York Times story is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/health/17cancer.html The principal author, Dr. Rowan T. Chlebowski, has a splendidly Googlable name. I would have to grant that not being published yet is a negative, but this is a large study by established researchers being presented at the annual meeting of the oncologists’ professional society, so I presume it is on its way to publication. That’s not to say its conclusion is right, but it at least looks like respectable science, not something on the fringe. — Paul Turner
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:( I may be wrong ‘coz I’m not a big follower of celeb news but Linda McCartney died of breast cancer even though she was a famous vegetarian, she couldn’t have eaten much animal fat, unless she was lacto-ovo & also liked to binge on cream and butter… Apparently, breast cancer does not have much to do with the amount of fat eaten.
Well then, that’s good news for me given my past history. janice
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Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:( I may be wrong ‘coz I’m not a big follower of celeb news but Linda McCartney died of breast cancer even though she was a famous vegetarian, she couldn’t have eaten much animal fat, unless she was lacto-ovo & also liked to binge on cream and butter…
Err…..yes, but I would never assume that because something might increase the risk of any illness or disease, this then means that those who avoid whatever it is won’t get the illness or disease. I wish life was that simple. janice
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The idea that eating less fat leads to reduced breast cancer recurrence has been disproved. Dietary factors and the survival of women with breast carcinoma. Holmes MD, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Rosner B, Hunter DJ, Willett WC. Channing Laboratory, Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. CONCLUSIONS: No survival advantage was found for a low fat diet after a diagnosis of breast carcinoma. PMID: 10463982 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Disproved is a strong term. The study failed to find a correlation, but that is not really the same as proving that there is no correlation. An argument could be made that the study reported yesterday was a better one, in that the older Boston study involved food surveys filled out by subjects who chose there own diet, while the new one involved random assignment of patients to groups given either a low fat or unmodified diet. I noticed in yesterday’s New York Times article discussing the new study, one of the authors of the Boston study cited seems to agree that the new research is promising. He doesn’t sound like he regards the link as disproved: "This is potentially very good news," said Dr. David Hunter, a professor of cancer prevention at the Harvard School of Public Health. "Anything that could be done about reducing breast cancer recurrence would be enormously valuable." — Paul Turner
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Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:( I may be wrong ‘coz I’m not a big follower of celeb news but Linda McCartney died of breast cancer even though she was a famous vegetarian, she couldn’t have eaten much animal fat, unless she was lacto-ovo & also liked to binge on cream and butter…
Being in good shape and eating healthy only help in preventing diseases, it’s not a guarantee against them. I have a friend who doesn’t have an ounce of fat on his body, runs daily and suffered a massive heart attack in his late 50’s. Heart disease runs in his family but most of them had problems in their late 30’s and early 40’s. He figures his healthy lifestyle delayed his problems. It also helped him recover quickly. He’s now in his early 70’s and still going strong.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw the article on low-fat diets helping to prevent the recurrence of breast cancer. I wondered if avoiding fat would also help to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer and not just in preventing it’s recurrence? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_863875 65 Matthew
Thanks Matthew.
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Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:( I may be wrong ‘coz I’m not a big follower of celeb news but Linda McCartney died of breast cancer even though she was a famous vegetarian, she couldn’t have eaten much animal fat, unless she was lacto-ovo & also liked to binge on cream and butter…
Thus my previous point about there being different types of breast cancer. I know a few women who have had breast cancer that were active, fit, and lead very healthy lifestyles with a proper diet. There’s no guarantee that regardless of how you live/eat/etc. that you still won’t end up with it. — the volleyballchick
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Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:(
I may be wrong ‘coz I’m not a big follower of celeb news but Linda McCartney died of breast cancer even though she was a famous vegetarian, she couldn’t have eaten much animal fat, unless she was lacto-ovo & also liked to binge on cream and butter…
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw the article on low-fat diets helping to prevent the recurrence of breast cancer. I wondered if avoiding fat would also help to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer and not just in preventing it’s recurrence? Breast cancer has hit several women on my father’s side of the family. My aunt has been a breast cancer survivor for several years and I know she drastically changed her diet afterward. She also added exercise. She’s now in her early 70’s and looks and feels great. Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:( janice
There does seem to be some connection and a very recent study showed that women on a lower fat diet had a smaller percentage of recurrence though it was stated that it could be just because of the types of food they were eating (more fruits and vegs and less red meat) which had already been shown to have a relationship with the disease. I’m sure it also has to do with the type of breast cancer since there is more than one kind out there. — the volleyballchick
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I saw the article on low-fat diets helping to prevent the recurrence of breast cancer. I wondered if avoiding fat would also help to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer and not just in preventing it’s recurrence? Breast cancer has hit several women on my father’s side of the family. My aunt has been a breast cancer survivor for several years and I know she drastically changed her diet afterward. She also added exercise. She’s now in her early 70’s and looks and feels great.
Maybe I’m missing something here, but I thought for years they’d been telling us that eating too much animal fat raises the risk of getting one of the oestrogen related cancers, of which breast cancer is a major example. I remember noticing this as cream and butter have always been binge foods for me:( janice
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I call the diet discribed above "Atkins-Plus" … you avoid all the carbs described by Atkins, plus you avoid Red Meat too … White Meat is much healthier …
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My advice: Stop eating fast food and desserts which are loaded with fats and refined sugar. In fact, stop eating simple carbs, i.e. refined sugar and white flour alltogether. If you don’t eat fried foods and red meat, you should have no problem controlling your fat to well under 40% or perhaps even 25%.
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I saw the article on low-fat diets helping to prevent the recurrence of breast cancer. I wondered if avoiding fat would also help to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer and not just in preventing it’s recurrence? http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_863875 65
The recent study that was released yesterday showed that the women in the lower fat group ate more fruits and vegetables and less RED MEAT which may have contributed to the results of the study since that’s already a known factor in lowering breast cancer risk. So let’s summarize based on past statements regarding bc prevention: cutting back on fatty red meat: bad, anorexia: good. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the troll. — the volleyballchick
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you may want to actually check out calorie content of, say, short ribs trimmed to 1/4" fat. 100 grams contains 383 calories, 288 of them coming from fat. Most of the fat in short ribs is not "saturated", contrary to popular beliefs. Very tasty stuff and easy to cook. A store near us sells them for $1.99 per lb. The ratio of unsaturated:saturated fat in short ribs is roughly close to 1:1. The AHA–among other organizations–recommends a ratio closer to 2:1. But even then, ratios are not the whole story. If I choose 100 grams of eye of round trimmed of all fat I would get only 5 grams of fat compared to the 30+ grams in short ribs. Matthew
Eye of round is a much better choice. I don’t eat a lot of beef but I do buy eye of round when I want to fix a steak of the grill. I prefer fish more than beef. Of course we have to consider the risk of mercury in fish 
I’m beginning to wonder about our food sources. We hear almost daily about health hazards from our food sources. Guess I’ll just pick the lowest risk items. I couldn’t find the recent article on additives in beef but here’s an older one. It indicates many of the harmful additives are concentrated in the fat area. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Oct/ai_78900860 Beverly
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I saw the article on low-fat diets helping to prevent the recurrence of breast cancer. I wondered if avoiding fat would also help to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer and not just in preventing it’s recurrence?
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_863875 65 Matthew
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you may want to actually check out calorie content of, say, short ribs trimmed to 1/4" fat. 100 grams contains 383 calories, 288 of them coming from fat. Most of the fat in short ribs is not "saturated", contrary to popular beliefs. Very tasty stuff and easy to cook. A store near us sells them for $1.99 per lb.
The ratio of unsaturated:saturated fat in short ribs is roughly close to 1:1. The AHA–among other organizations–recommends a ratio closer to 2:1. But even then, ratios are not the whole story. If I choose 100 grams of eye of round trimmed of all fat I would get only 5 grams of fat compared to the 30+ grams in short ribs. Matthew
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok. Nobody makes meat their staple food, certainly not anyone sensable. There’s just no way you would eat a pound of meat and still enjoy it. I suppose that 154 bananas are easier to eat. And besides very few meat has more than 60% calories in fat. 40% is very high in fat … you could still eat a lot of meat and achieve lower than that … It seems Americans are drinking oil! you may want to actually check out calorie content of, say, short ribs trimmed to 1/4" fat. 100 grams contains 383 calories, 288 of them coming from fat. Most of the fat in short ribs is not "saturated", contrary to popular beliefs. Very tasty stuff and easy to cook. A store near us sells them for $1.99 per lb. — 223/174.8/180 According to www.nutritiondata.com short ribs is one of the beef varieites highest in saturated fat. There are much better selections of beef that contain less saturated fats. Most diets recommend limiting saturated fats. It’s probably better all around if someone chooses to consume healthier fats and avoid saturated fats. http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-013016000000000000000.html Not only that, but most red meats like that are the primary source of saturated fat in a typical diet. Just because there are other kinds of fat in it, even if it is a higher amount, doesn’t make it good for you. It’s just another way of distorting the facts to mask the truth - typical of this poster. Very recent studies are showing that it’s not always the saturated fat but where it’s coming from and what you eat with it that makes it less healthy. Yesterday a new study came out that showed low fat diets help prevent recurrence of breast cancer. But hey, if people want to load up on their fat they should feel free – just don’t whine when the pounds start coming on or when worse things happen down the road. — the volleyballchick
I saw the article on low-fat diets helping to prevent the recurrence of breast cancer. I wondered if avoiding fat would also help to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer and not just in preventing it’s recurrence? Breast cancer has hit several women on my father’s side of the family. My aunt has been a breast cancer survivor for several years and I know she drastically changed her diet afterward. She also added exercise. She’s now in her early 70’s and looks and feels great. I also heard a report recently that indicated the fatty area of meat is where they find the highest concentration of additives such as antibiotics, etc from the animal’s diet. Beverly
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok. Nobody makes meat their staple food, certainly not anyone sensable. There’s just no way you would eat a pound of meat and still enjoy it. I suppose that 154 bananas are easier to eat. And besides very few meat has more than 60% calories in fat. 40% is very high in fat … you could still eat a lot of meat and achieve lower than that … It seems Americans are drinking oil! you may want to actually check out calorie content of, say, short ribs trimmed to 1/4" fat. 100 grams contains 383 calories, 288 of them coming from fat. Most of the fat in short ribs is not "saturated", contrary to popular beliefs. Very tasty stuff and easy to cook. A store near us sells them for $1.99 per lb. — 223/174.8/180
According to www.nutritiondata.com short ribs is one of the beef varieites highest in saturated fat. There are much better selections of beef that contain less saturated fats. Most diets recommend limiting saturated fats. It’s probably better all around if someone chooses to consume healthier fats and avoid saturated fats. http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-013016000000000000000.html
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok. Nobody makes meat their staple food, certainly not anyone sensable. There’s just no way you would eat a pound of meat and still enjoy it. I suppose that 154 bananas are easier to eat. And besides very few meat has more than 60% calories in fat. 40% is very high in fat … you could still eat a lot of meat and achieve lower than that … It seems Americans are drinking oil! you may want to actually check out calorie content of, say, short ribs trimmed to 1/4" fat. 100 grams contains 383 calories, 288 of them coming from fat. Most of the fat in short ribs is not "saturated", contrary to popular beliefs. Very tasty stuff and easy to cook. A store near us sells them for $1.99 per lb. — 223/174.8/180 According to www.nutritiondata.com short ribs is one of the beef varieites highest in saturated fat. There are much better selections of beef that contain less saturated fats. Most diets recommend limiting saturated fats. It’s probably better all around if someone chooses to consume healthier fats and avoid saturated fats. http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-013016000000000000000.html
Not only that, but most red meats like that are the primary source of saturated fat in a typical diet. Just because there are other kinds of fat in it, even if it is a higher amount, doesn’t make it good for you. It’s just another way of distorting the facts to mask the truth - typical of this poster. Very recent studies are showing that it’s not always the saturated fat but where it’s coming from and what you eat with it that makes it less healthy. Yesterday a new study came out that showed low fat diets help prevent recurrence of breast cancer. But hey, if people want to load up on their fat they should feel free – just don’t whine when the pounds start coming on or when worse things happen down the road. — the volleyballchick
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I just read that the standard American diet is about 40% fat, but how do they consume so much fat!?!? Even if you ate a lot of red meat and dairy products which can be about 50% fat, there’s just no way. And certainly nobody uses a s***load of cooking oils. I’m very confused about that.
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Ok. Nobody makes meat their staple food, certainly not anyone sensable. There’s just no way you would eat a pound of meat and still enjoy it. And besides very few meat has more than 60% calories in fat. 40% is very high in fat … you could still eat a lot of meat and achieve lower than that … It seems Americans are drinking oil!
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Ok. Nobody makes meat their staple food, certainly not anyone sensable. There’s just no way you would eat a pound of meat and still enjoy it. And besides very few meat has more than 60% calories in fat. 40% is very high in fat … you could still eat a lot of meat and achieve lower than that … It seems Americans are drinking oil!
Listed percentages of fat content on meat is by weight, not calories. But a gram of fat is 9 calories, while a gram of protein is 4 calories. Hence the difference.
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I just read that the standard American diet is about 40% fat, but how do they consume so much fat!?!? Even if you ate a lot of red meat and dairy products which can be about 50% fat, there’s just no way. And certainly nobody uses a s***load of cooking oils. I’m very confused about that.
There are a couple of ways Americans over consume fat. One big one is in eating fastfoods. At this website you can do a search of say sandwiches/fat content per grams/from higher to lower and get a Hardees Bacon Double Cheeseburger with 96grams of fat! When you consider that most people eat maybe 20-30grams of fat for a whole DAY, its way too much in one sitting. http://www.foodfacts.info/index.shtml Then another place fats are overeaten is of course in desserts(icecream, cakes cookies, etc) and of course chocolate candies. Hellooooo butter is a fat, its not just red meat or cooking oils! Then there is snack foods like chips, nachos, etc and mayo and CHEESE! OMG! no wonder we overeat fats! Its everywhere in everything – processed that is. Now if only we ate more vegetables and fruits … joanne
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— the volleyballchick